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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Dec 15, 2010 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star?

So it could the theme could have shown up somewhere in the playing on 9-4-67 although not likely that they played the song. Unfortunately we only have 5 min or so of tape from that show.

btw nice to see you around these parts.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 15, 2010 8:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star?

I'd say that it was entirely possible and certainly likely that Garcia had been noodling around with what would become the Dark Star groove before Hunter got involved lyrically. Though Garcia did say say that 'the reason the music is the way it is, is because those lyrics did suggest that to me' - so there was definitely a good bit of creative cross-fertilization going on there.

And thanks - its encouraging to see you around too!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Dec 15, 2010 8:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star?

more encouraging if i took the time to proofread my writing i suppose....

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 15, 2010 8:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star?

It's ok - I'm good at deciphering. :-)

Found this in the Grateful Dead Family Discography:

"Dark Star was the first lyric that Robert Hunter wrote with the Dead. He had previously sent a few lyrics to them from New Mexico and was then invited to join them. Hunter describes the journey in the introduction to his collected lyrics Box Of Rain;

The trip took six weeks with a surreal layover in Denver. By the time I hit Nevada I had a dime in my pocket which I put in a slot machine and parlayed into enough to make a phone call and tell the guys I was on my way. I arrived in San Francisco with a case of walking pneumonia and the clothes on my back. The next day I was writing Dark Star, feeling pretty much as the lyric suggests.

The initial lyrics were written at Rio Nido where the Dead were playing when Hunter joined them.

The single version of Dark Star was recorded in the studio during the recordings sessions for Anthem Of The Sun [so that would be September/October 67]. Robert Hunter speaks the words at the close of the song.

Dark Star was first performed, without lyrics, by the Grateful Dead in September 1967. The first version with lyrics was in the December of that year."

So 12/13/67 at the Shrine sounds most plausible for a first outing of Dark Star as we came to know it.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Dec 15, 2010 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star?

Outstanding work!!

Some friends from Miami gave me a bottle of Lagavulin for my birthday. Since I can't share a glass with you, i will at least enjoy one in your honour. Perhaps this Spring.

Got distracted by work before sending this out and got your 9-3-67 post, I gave Dancin' a listen. Jerry hits a couple of notes that sure sound like they would fit well in Dark Star but I would be hard-pressed to call this a Dark Star Jam.

I like this review of the show:
Reviewer: KindRainbowBrother - - October 10, 2005
Subject: What a drippy, trippy funky groove
I remember this show really well because I actually gave Jerry a lift to the Dance Hall. I told him all I wanted was a really killer Midnight Hour. It's shows like these that are reason we LOVE this band. Stellar performance by every member. (Oh and I was one and half in Sept. 1967 so my driving was pretty bad)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 15, 2010 8:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star - September 3 1967?

http://www.archive.org/details/gd67-09-03.sbd.backus.17272.sbeok.shnf

This is from the Rio Nido Dance Hall. Give a listen to what Garcia is doing from about 2 minutes 30 seconds into Dancing In The Streets - there's definitely something happening there, don't you think?

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Dec 15, 2010 9:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star - September 3 1967?

Drop yourself in at about the 3:12 mark and tell me what song you hear? It isn't Dancin'..........and the plot thickens.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Dec 15, 2010 9:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star - September 3 1967?

"That was the first song I wrote with the Grateful Dead. We were down in Rio Nido, and I heard them playing it in the hall they were going to play. I just started scratching paper and got the Dark Star crashes, pouring its light into ashes' part and I said, 'Why don't you try this with it?' It worked well, and then they wanted more verses. I finished up the second set of verses back in San Francisco. I got up-I was staying at 710 Ashbury-one morning fairly early, about 10:30 or 11, and stumbled over to the Panhandle ay Golden Gate Park. I was sitting there, getting stuck on a verse, when along came a hippie who handed me a joint. He asked me what I was doing, and I said I was writing a song called 'Dark Star.' He said, 'Oh.' That's pretty much the story."

Robert Hunter on Dark Star to Jeff Tamarkin - From Relix (1986)

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Dec 15, 2010 10:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star - September 3 1967?

......and the plot now thins?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 15, 2010 10:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star - September 3 1967?

Kind of like my hair in that case...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 15, 2010 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star - September 3 1967?

Pretty much the story as quoted by Blair Jackson in Garcia: An American Life.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 15, 2010 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star - September 3 1967?

Indubitably, Holmes!